Thursday, July 28, 2005

More attention on GU

I've been looking at the visit counter at the bottom of this blog, that points not only to people's ISPs but also to the websites they came from, and I've found the thread that's called "a groom of one's own", and it's highlighted something that I've known all along about many of the GU posters that's common to many people, which is difficult to face, and which is very much involved with denial. I was thinking that perhaps it was unnecessary to actually spell things out for them. I did so on GUT but there was such a backlash from the idiots that it got me banned by silly moderators. Here I'm my own moderator, so I can say the truth and people can read it for what it is.

Last year, one of the posters on GUT, who went by the name of Artermis, was ill for a long time with cancer, and I made the unforgiveable suggestion that she accept that she was going to die, and do all the things with the remainder of her life that would bring her joy. I suggested she go off on a round the world trip, and visit beautiful places on this wonderful planet that I've seen myself before she died.

Many of the posters reacted with this as if I was telling her something that was less than in her interest, and I was attacked for it. Attacked really badly, by scared, vindictive twerps, frankly.

The thread title was "Get well soon, Arty" and it's function, certainly initially, was that she get over the cancer and get well.

But she wasn't getting well, and on my first encounter with Artermis I told her that perhaps she should accept her inevitable death. We do, after all, die.

But it was as if I'd killed her myself, the way many of the posters reacted.

But the truth of the matter is this: those posters didn't allow Artermis to accept an inevitability of life, and by so doing they made her cling on to an unreasonable hope. Many months passed where Artermis could have been simply letting go and enjoying her remaining months so much more, whereas posters who have such a morbid fear of an inevitability of life - death itself - were making her hang on to a false hope, and by so doing, suffer more.

As far as I'm concerned - and some posters secretly agreed with me, but didn't have the guts to admit it - I did the bravest thing for Artermis, by trying to make her come to terms with her life, and the end of it.

But now there are posters who are so stuck in their own denial, and their own fear of death, thatthey've been badmouthing me ever since.

Frankly, it doesn't bother me what they say, as I know I'm right. Any sensible person knows I'm right, and that it's just a case of "shooting the messenger".

But these are the kinds of people that bring the rest of the more vulnerable people on GUT down all the time. They're the kinds of people who secretly want everyone to be as depressed and scared as they are.

Well, that's a club I have no interest in joining.

And here, on my own blog, I can say the truth.

Knowing that posters on GUT now read this blog, I'm quite happy with that. I know that posters read this. Some - the badmouthing idiots who hide behind their anonymity - make all kinds of remarks on GUT about me. I'd welcome people who actually agree with me.

Make a stand against the fearmongers on GUT, and don't join their club. That's all I can suggest to you.

I've spent a great deal of my life depressed and in turmoil about it, and I've been through shit myself. But it's meaningless. Many posters on GUT don't want to get beyond that, and they can't stand to see posters - or anyone else for that matter - get beyond that state of fear either.

So it's up to you, anonymous readers of this blog.

Like I say, I don't care what you think about it. I don't care that some anonymous clown is taking the piss out of me.

I'm doing this for me, so fuck them.

This is the emerging me. And I feel OK about that.

Not long before she died, Artermis made the comment that I was "taking attention away" from her. Not so. What I was doing was simply finding my own attention and love for myself, rather than crave it from others. And that's what I wanted her to find for herself, but other posters wouldn't let her see it.

This is a common mistake people make, and one I've made myself. All I ever did was try to help Artermis see that all she was ever doing was give her own power away by needing the attention of others, rather than find it in a spiritual way.

I know for a fact that Artermis now understands this. I've spoken to her spirit since then, and I know that if any posters care to actually ask her they'll find she'll tell them the same thing: that I was, actually, right.

We all die. That's the truth of the matter. And in that respect I suggest that the most embittered posters, who want to blame me for the inevitability of her death, grow up about that fact.

It's time you accepted the next phase of the grieving process, and stopped pretending that I'm the source of your misery. The hatred you possess is your own. I've just been an excuse for you to focus it, and it's just tedious now.

Grow up and accept death as a part of life. See a bereavement counsellor if necessary, but deal with the facts of death.

Then you might actually start living, instead of being obsessed with me.

It was very sad that Artermis died so young. What was sadder was that she couldn't live her last months with some real joy. But I'm certainly not taking the can any more for those who bear the real responsibility for that, when in fact I was the only one who actually dared to be honest with her. And honesty was the best gift she could have been given.

17 comments:

Anonymous said...

I remember your post on Arty's thread, and it made a lot of sense. There are posters on GU that are just infantile, Raspygrimly. As you say, they can't look at death without wanting to blame someone. I think you're really brave, some of the things you say. Keep posting there, and ignore the idiots.

Jack Lee said...

Thanks.

I will.

Anonymous said...

I agree with the last poster, and I would only say it here rather on GU. There are too many people who don't say what they feel, and rasputin isn't one of them. For that I admired him. He said what he felt even if it was difficult or painful. If Sue had more honesty then maybe things might have been easier for her. Raspy at least was honest with her. That's all I can say.

That Guy said...

What is GU?

Good insights, I like your blog. I need to live as much as I can, because I fear death.

Anonymous said...

I still think you're a prat!

Anonymous said...

While what you told Arty might be true, it was an incredibly insensitive thing to say.

I don't know you and haven't really come accross you on GU, but having had a quick scan through your posts it's clear that you're a self obsessed tosser with delusions of your own importance.

Anonymous said...

Yo, I noticed you weren't posting on GU anymore but didn't know you had a new username.

Hope you are well :)

Anonymous said...

You were always one of my favourite posters - hope you get a new username soon, though I know it takes forever..

Cheef.

Jane said...

Sue knew she was dying. We discussed it. And Sue was a very spiritual person. She also spent the last year of her life travelling, and being with the people she wanted to be with.

She was angry about not living long enough to see her daughter marry - the wedding took place days before her funeral; and to see her grandchildren.

That's fair enough, I think.

Anonymous said...

Jack, this is Arty's daughter.

You are talking about things that you know fuck all about and being incredibly insensitive.

I think that if you need help to 'emerge' you should see a counsellor rather than using someone who can't answer back.

Get a life - since you still can.

Anonymous said...

HotToast posting.

You clearly never actually took the time to read Arty's posts. You never read the joy she shared with us, or her own acceptance of her death. So she got scared and angry sometimes. Who are you to deny anyone thier emotions?

Jack Lee said...

A mix of comments. Some positive, some negative. So how do I go about dealing with them? Do I find some nicely watered down, "sensitive" and diplomatic way to deal with the irrational bits, or just say things the way they are?

Well, since the more vitriolic posters seem to prefer it that way, I guess I have no choice, do I?

Fact is, it was Artermis who asked me how she deal with what she herself described as her "imminent death". I gave her the only advice I felt I could give at the time, which was to live till she died. It was only other posters replies that led to the hysteria. I'm sure if anyone had a copy of the thread, you'd see the way it went.

All this is is hysteria of death, drummed up as anti-Rasputin hatred. You want someone to blame for your own powerlessness, and I fit the bill.

I'm afraid I can't be "sensitive" about being attacked for something I have no responsibility for. You all started the attacks. It's you that can get on with your own grieving, and that means getting past the anger of blaming me, anyone else, or yourselves.

If this all helps you move beyond things any quicker, and into your living your lives more fully, then that's great. But I've seen life taken very quickly, and I can promise you any one of us can be taken from this life a lot quicker than Arty was, and there'd be no long chance to say goodbyes.

So just get beyond it.

And remember you brought this particular episode on yourselves. If you hadn't chased me around GUT, trying to "out" me, you wouldn't have brought this on you.

I only give back what I'm given first. I can be as sensitive as the next person, and as cuntish as whoever cares to be cuntish to me.

Your feelings are you own, posters. No other person can make you feel your feelings. All they can ever do is make you aware of them. And that, I assure you, is a blessing.

Thank you for your responses.

Can we get on with living again, now?

Anonymous said...

Jack, you're a mess. Get help.

Anonymous said...

You are re-writing history to serve your own purposes. It's rather sad that you have become fixated on this, but it's an indication of your overwhelming need to be right; you choose to stay involved in a debate over a dead person who can never come back and contradict you.

As someone who read what you had to say both before and after Sue's death, I have to say that you can 'pretend' that things were one way as much as you like, but you know in your soul that you are dissembling. As you claim to be someone who wishes to live with a relatively clear conscience, this must be a problem for you. Or maybe you are very adept at lying to yourself.

I don't know. I don't particularly care, but you should. You really should take on board that your obsession with a group of people that you purport to despise has reached quite insane levels when you have to use the terminal experiences (as you perceived them) and death of a woman you never met, in order to attempt to get a rise out a bunch of anonymous user names, and to desperately maintain your deluded image of yourself - the man who is never wrong.

I'm sorry that you are such an unhappy man, Jack, but look into your heart and you will realise that you bring it all on yourself.

Jack Lee said...

Thank you for your comments, anonymous folk.

Yet I ask you to consider the question "why am I remaining anonymous?"

I mean, you're talking about my fixation with a bunch of anonymous people. But aren't we all in the same boat? Don't we all share the same fears, possibilities, death? How can you criticise someone whom you know nothing about, and at the same time hide behind anonymity? Do you really expect me to take you seriously?

What's the function of criticising just one of six billion people on the planet? Do you have a perfect life?

Besides, what's an "appropriate" way to behave, either here or anywhere else? Who sets the parameters?

The status quo?

But I do welcome these comments. Please keep them coming.

Jack Lee said...

You know, I think one of the most common things that happens on GUT is that so many people are trying to justify their existence, and "out do" each other as sensitive, in-the-know souls.

I mean, where is the real motive in telling someone that they're sad, if it's not in some kind of need to cling to the sense that they're the one who has the absolute grasp of reality, truth, morals and everything else?

I'm always suspicious of people who try to heap shame on another person. I can't help thinking that they're just unable to look at their own shame issues. It's a sure indicator that they've been shamed themselves, for one thing.

I can't help thinking that so much focus is on me because people want to recognise themelves in me, and find truths in whatever way they can.

I'd be interested to know what my dissenters think of the people that agree with me, and make favourable comments about my blog.

Do you think they're deluded, too?

Anonymous said...

This is Sue's daughter again.

You don't know me but please do me a favour - stop this blog about my mum. Talk about GUT and the users as much as you like but please remove all mention of Sue and leave it at that.

Thank you.